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Speed JUnkyz
January 19th, 2010, 08:43 AM
About different automotive fuels...
Diesel, has a slightly higher calorific value (about 16,000 Calories per LB of fuel) than Petrol does. But it has a very low Octane rating, meaning it "self ignites" due to heat or rather it has a low Self Ignition Temperature (SIT). This low octane makes it useless in a petrol engine! It would pre ignite, detonate uncontrollably, and because it has a higher evaporation temperature may not fire easily with a spark plug!



Even a small amount added to a petrol engine causes it to "knock, ping, pink, or whatever! Diesel (and kerosene, paraffin) is good in a diesel engine precisely BECAUSE it ignites spontaneously when its hot! The heat of compression alone ignites the fuel as it is fired into the cylinder. Petrol is designed NOT to ignite until it sees a source of ignition, the spark.
http://www.tuning.wanadoo.co.uk/images/fuels.1.jpgPump Petrol has a slightly lower calorific value (14,700 15,400 calories per LB of fuel) but it has a much higher anti auto ignition temperature & knock, or detonation temperature. In other words a diesel engine would not fire! It NEEDS a spark for ignition. That is until you increase the temperature or boost level, in the cylinder!!! And then we get detonation problems. Detonation is when the fuel spontaneously explodes rather than smoothly burning. It destroys engines very fast! So we need higher Octane fuels for really high compression use, or high boost levels with a turbo etc.
Race fuel, C14, C16 etc These are the same as pump fuel but much higher Octane. Used in a car that does not need this extra octane it is simply a waste of money. To see more power you need to take advantage of the new higher detonation limit! By increasing boost, or by increasing compression ratio.
Methanol is a "cold" or "cooling" fuel, that is basically alcohol. It is VERY high octane so really high compression ration can be used. Because it has only 7,000 approx calories per LB 2.2 to 2.4 times as much is needed at any one time! This means HUGE fuel jets are needed, and a corrosion proof fuel system, You cannot just run your engine on it! If used in a similar motor to a petrol one no extra power will be available. But it again allows higher compression ratios, or more boost! So in this case more power can be realised.
Nitromethane is not really a fuel, on its own but almost is! It is however an oxygen producer! As we already know, oxygen allows fuel to be burned! This stuff is a way of getting more oxygen into your engine! But its £50 per gallon price, and the fact that it makes all kinds of nasty acids that turn your oil to milky water in ten mins flat mean race use only! It is used mixed with methanol normally as its fuel. Although its almost a monopropellant, engines breath air, so "some" fuel has to be added. It is added to methanol base fuel, and can be used in 5 percent up to high 90's percentages! Obviously the more Nitromethane that is added to the fuel the more oxygen you have added. So you then need more fuel! So you go in ever decreasing circles as the percentage rises until you simply cannot feed it enough fuel! Strange stuff. Works though. Top Fuel dragsters make 5,000 bhp! Go from 0 to 300 mph in 4 seconds. From low tech pushrod V8 engines... A similar effect could be had by adding oxygen via a Nitrous Oxide Injection System.

BLKCarbonEVO
June 7th, 2010, 04:40 AM
You don't even talk about the good fuel... Q16, E85, and E98! E98 FTW

Mikey

EvoJoe
June 7th, 2010, 08:19 AM
yea im thinkin about switching to e85 but not many places in my area to get it. I see your running it......any issues?

Speed JUnkyz
June 7th, 2010, 08:30 AM
Because its just not practical lol....yeah its cheaper lol but it burns faster lol


Anyone following the oil spill from BP? Gas prices will be going up!!! get it now!!

BLKCarbonEVO
June 7th, 2010, 07:56 PM
yea im thinkin about switching to e85 but not many places in my area to get it. I see your running it......any issues?

No, no problems at all! I love it and it makes great power and smells good :D You just have to have larger injectors since it takes about 15% more fuel per combustion cycle. You should look into v7 and doing dual map switching! Do a E85 or Race gas tune and a Pump tune. You use the tps to swap maps on the fly. It is amazing and I love the stock evo computer!

Mikey

BLKCarbonEVO
June 7th, 2010, 07:59 PM
Because its just not practical lol....yeah its cheaper lol but it burns faster lol


Anyone following the oil spill from BP? Gas prices will be going up!!! get it now!!

I only get 200 miles to the tank. Ya E85 is like 2.40 out here but you use 15% more fuel so it equal out to be about the same price as premium gas but you gain a lot more power and it is easy to fill up at the pump unlike race gas. E85 is 105 oct for anyone that didn't know. I also use E98 sometimes when I go to the track. That is like 110 oct.

Mikey

Speed JUnkyz
June 8th, 2010, 09:17 AM
exactly....yea might be a more a fun fuel...but you're not saving lol

BLKCarbonEVO
June 9th, 2010, 09:00 PM
exactly....yea might be a more a fun fuel...but you're not saving lol

You have to pay to play!

Mikey

Speed JUnkyz
June 9th, 2010, 10:26 PM
yeah well Ill play in my civic with 87 octane lol and when it blows up just replace it hahaha

evoDON
June 12th, 2010, 03:19 PM
i wish there was more places to get e85 around me. i would love to run it.

Speed JUnkyz
June 12th, 2010, 07:01 PM
Yeah there is only one spot up here in Central south pa lol...its tough!

SundayForever
May 19th, 2011, 04:17 AM
yeah well Ill play in my civic with 87 octane lol and when it blows up just replace it hahaha